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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 16, 2011 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Further Pulls A DSO?

I almost never listen to any of the post-Jerry incarnations of the band, however this morning i figured i would give a recent Further show a spin and see if I am missing something. Just started the second set but so far i am not really feeling this. The boys are older so maybe it just takes them longer to warm up. I will mention that Jeff kills it on Sugaree.

So i wanted to see what other reviewers thought and for the most part they are more positive than i am, however one of them (the real IMA) made this interesting connection.

Here is the set list from Further 0n 2-13-11:

http://www.archive.org/details/Furthur2011-02-13

Disc 1 Set 1 (69:34)
01 Minglewood 8:23
02 Sugaree 14:16
03 On the Road Again 5:19
04 Pride of Cucamunga 6:44
05 CC Rider 8:07
06 Tennesse Jed 7:56
07 Bertha 8:57
08 Man Smart Woman Smarter 9:47

Disc 2 Set 2 (71:21)
01 Colors Of The Rain> 7:37
02 Scarlet Begonias> 11:42
03 Fire On The Mountain> 10:48
04 Estimated Prophet> 13:53
05 Eyes Of The World> 16:27
06 The Wheel> 3:46
07 Not Fade Away> 7:04

Disc 3 Set 2 cont (36:23)
01 Whart Rat> 11:34
02 Sugar Magnolia 10:52
03 Donor Rap 2:05
04 Revolution> 4:49
05 I can't get no Satisfaction 7:00

Now check out this set list from Feb. '82:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-02-17.sbd-patched.warner.23221.sbeok.shnf

02-17-82 Warfield Theater, San Francisco, Ca. (Wed)
1: Minglewood> Sugaree, On The Road Again, Bird Song> C. C. Rider, Tennessee Jed, All Over Now, Loser, Woman Smarter
2: Scarlet> Fire> Estimated> Eyes> Drumz> Wheel> NFA> Wharf Rat> Sugar Magnolia E: Satisfaction

Could that be a coincidence? Of course it could but is it likely?

btw the Scarlet was pretty nice, not feeling the love for the transition to Fire though.



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Poster: jds121291 Date: Feb 16, 2011 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

i like furthur. dont listen to them over the dead of course but ill dance my ass off at their shows and i love every minute of it. i listened to the eyes just to check in on how they were doing and i thought it was pretty raging, especially jeff chimenti.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 16, 2011 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

There is no question in my mind that Jeff is the star of this show. When i listened to one of the Dead shows from 2009 i thought the same thing. That guy is really good.

I found this show had some high points that were fun to hear (Sugaree, Women Are Smarter, Scarlet and Wharf Rat). However Minglewood and for that matter most of the first set had little to no energy and Sugar Mags seemed to lose steam. The Eyes was okay, i was just caught off guard by Phil's lead singer role. NFA was kind of fun because of the crowd.

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Feb 16, 2011 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

i agree jeff has starpower. the man can rip. he shredded msg the entire night when i was there.

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Poster: ruby_claire Date: Feb 17, 2011 7:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I've been waiting to see if anyone would comment about Jeff, or if it was just me. I was at all 3 shows in CO and that dude is INSANE, I could listen to him all night! Of course I love The Dead, but these guys are so much more consistent in their musicianship. There can never be another Grateful Dead - Elvis has left the building. As long as one knows that ahead of time, it's all good. This group creates a rockin' vibe, I love that there are lots of younger people showing up and the songs have held up really well. I do agree that Bob's ego is slightly annoying out of control, but I just tune him out, that IS Bob after all. I'd really recommend attending, if only to say you had the experience ~ you might just have a real good time. : D

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Poster: jds121291 Date: Feb 18, 2011 9:24am
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jeff needs mass deadhead recognition. he has CHOPS. i cant rave enough about him.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Feb 17, 2011 6:40am
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I'm listening to 2-12 right now and I have to say it's very nice. Normally I agree there isn't a compelling reason to listen to Furthur, unless it's live. But this is definitely nice stuff, so sometimes, they do get something going! There's a perfect Crazy Fingers.

Half an hour later ... this show is really terrific.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Feb 16, 2011 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I don't listen to much Furthur. Most of the shows uploaded sound like crap. Most of the vocals are drowned under the "indoor" noise floor of excessive reverb and cranked up instruments.

There is more to hear from the JGB, Front Street, Cubensis and a couple of other cover bands. They are uploading good Matrix and SBD recordings...

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Feb 16, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I honestly think you're looking for something that isn't there. The second set of the recent Furthur show is pretty similar to the second set of a ton of Grateful Dead shows from 1978-early 80s.

Considering the fact that Furthur is jamming very differently than the Dead ever did and mixing up the setlists and song combinations in seques I seriously doubt that was on purpose. With the thousands of shows the Grateful Dead played I think it's pretty likely that some sets will look similar...but I definitely think its a strecth to say it's on purpose.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

The story going around is this...
2/17/82 was the first show Phil brought his now wife Jill to and the show the other night was kind of a Valentine's Day gift to her.
Sounds reasonable to me.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

That makes sense. Also probably explains the addition of Pride in the first set.

Does anyone know if Phil usually sings lead on Eyes with Further or was this part of the Valentine's gift? I think i would stick with chocolates.

So far the second set is better than the first. Definitely more energy.

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Poster: wineland Date: Feb 17, 2011 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

"I think i would stick with chocolates."

That made me chuckle. Thanks for a laugh this morning.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

phil always sings eyes these days.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:52am
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wow...that does sound reasonable...and a very thoughtful gift..I stand corrected.

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Poster: hasher Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:51pm
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Great info! Nice one.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Feb 16, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I think it magnanamous of you to venture into the post-Jerry apocalypse.

I can have little trouble enjoying post-Dead incarnations for what they are, and I do intend to use my two tickets to the Fox. I do enjoy this lineup better than previous incarnations. Less so with this band, but still there is always some element of sluggishness at times that does not allow the X factor in the door with the various line ups. Sometimes it's Bob singing like he tends to do these days, I shall refrain from giving that a name.

As for the set list question, I wish I could do some things now that felt good in '82 in the exact same order as well!

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

"...maybe it just takes them longer to warm up"

A nuclear blast and 1000 suns couldn't warm these folks up.

Seriously, props for giving them a honest listen. But, like you, after a few tries I just can't find anything to bring me back. In my eyes (and ears, I guess) they, well, Bob really, is dangerously close to Jim Rice Syndrome: trying too hard to recapture what has long since passed to the point of becoming a parody of himself. And like Mr. Rice, who should have exited gracefully when the numbers started dropping precipitously, Bob just doesn't seem to realize this, convinced that he's still "got it". At least some of the others, Billy particularly, are still producing some quality original material. Maybe the rest of the boys are scared to say anything to Bob because of living under the threat of The Beard. Only thing under that beard is another fist.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

> A nuclear blast and 1000 suns couldn't warm these folks up.

Hilarious. And to me, so true an assessment. An untethered and ballsy guitarist, pushing the limits of the known and putting his/her own imprint on the music would be much more interesting. But, it's been tried in P&F and the choice was not to have that energy in Further. I have little but contempt for JK's musicianship. It makes non-live listening to Furthur as fun as going to the ER. It's too bad that was their choice.
BW has clearly lost a step or two as a musician. But he plays on January 3rd (which somehow really impresses me) here as the only guitarist.

http://www.archive.org/details/rd2011-01-03.dpa4022.fldeadhead.111499.sbeok.flac16

Phil impresses me more and more on a bar set high in the peaks already.
And if you get off on Furthur , God Bless. It's just how I see it.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Feb 16, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I saw Furthur last summer in Columbus and enjoyed it well enough. I would even go back, given the chance. I've downloaded a handful of nice AUDs from the collection here, but I rarely think to play them, and when I do, real honest-to-goodness Grateful Dead concerts always win out. It's hard to justify listening to Furthur when there are shows from '69, '73, '77, '85, etc. waiting for me.

This post was modified by ice9freak on 2011-02-17 00:47:43

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

That's exactly how i see it. If i am going to listen to this music, why not go for the real deal. I think seeing Further or other cover bands could be fun because of the experience, i just can't wrap my head around listening to it regularly. Still many GD shows i haven't heard as well as upgrades of old favorites that are a priority.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Feb 16, 2011 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Further Pulls A DSO?

I was at the Saturday night show and the energy was HIGH, the crowd the band and the music ROCKED.

I went thinking they had played a great set list Friday and would be bummed out by a lesser show but NO this was hot the band was tight and I danced during every song which was all I wanted.

I had a great time and that's all I could ask for--hope those who don't go enjoy sitting on the couch when a great night of music is available. No its not The Gd but they don't and can't exist anymore!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:01pm
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Sorry if you misunderstood, i wasn't knocking going to see Further, i just listen to them or other post-GD bands when there is so much GD to listened to. Glad you enjoyed yourself. The crowd at this show is also having a good time.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:06pm
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I was trying to rag at anyone but I don't get the negative vibes from some.

For me its the music and it been played with passion and in the Furthur case LOVE from the musicians.

Those who saw the GD and loved it miss it but why not go and be open to the new possibilities*S*. Unless the couch is really comfortable-lol.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:22pm
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I get "new possibilities", that's why I prefer to see something like Billy's projects where there is a bunch of new material thrown in. But I hold nothing against anyone who goes to see these shows and enjoys them. More power to you.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Feb 16, 2011 12:33pm
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I go to Billy's shows too-ones I saw I thought they were great and new and very interesting!

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Feb 17, 2011 5:52am
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I'm not sure what the draw is from Billy's band. I LOVE George Porter w/ The Meters and Billy with the Dead but Papa Mali....well, eh I could do without and I their shows just don't do it for me..just my opinion.

I know they are playing some new stuff but look at the set lists...they are playing A LOT of Dead too....a lot.

As for Furthur...I've seen them a few times and really enjoyed them. I will admit that if I want to listen to the music of the Dead then I will probably go for the original but that isn't because I don't enjoy Furthur...it's because it's the original, real deal....and oh yeah...Jerry Garcia helps...haha.

Phil is playing great right now and Jeff Chimenti....well, he's been on fire. Joe Russo is a beast on the drums and I like the addition of the singers to boost the old men vocals of Bob and Phil. John K. is definitely no Jerry but lets face it...who is? there's only one Jerry Garcia.